Kel Tec SU-16CA PT.2

To read the first half of this review CLICK HERE

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Like I said in the first half I really enjoyed this rifle so I will just jump right into the review

 

POLYMER FRAME: The rifle is made up of mostly polymer which makes the gun very light weight at only 4.7 pounds. Whereas an AR-15 is about 7 pounds.

SAFETY: The safety on this rifle is simple. it is just a push side to side button with a red ring on the fire side. I like to live with the K.I.S.S. mind set which is Keep It Simple Stupid.

PISTON: Similar to that of the AK family this rifle uses a piston system. This seems to it the bolt and chamber cleaner. as you read about in our 1700+ round testing.

ACTION:  this rifle is a piston driven system which seems to make this rifle cycle beautifully.

FELT RECOIL: (While this rifle is threaded for a muzzle device Kel Tec does not thread one on to this rifle.) The recoil was surprising to me when doing a side by side comparison to my AR-15 with a flash hider as the SU-16 had lower felt recoil.

MAGAZINES:   The rifle comes with (2) 10 round polymer mags in a carrying well in the folding stock. The stock also supports the use of a 20 round AR magazine in place of the 2 ten round mags. They designed this mag well to be that of the AR-15 mag wells to support the use of AR-15 mags (including beta mags). One thing we did notice was that the last 2 rounds in my 4 of my polymer sig mags did not seem to want to chamber.

FIELD STRIPPING:  To take this gun apart to do basic cleaning is as simple as using the bullet to push a pin out in the stock. (cleaning the bolt carrier group is a little bit more than just that but for the review we are only talking about taking the gun down to is basic parts)

ACCURACY: I will not lie and say I am the best shot in the world or that I am even a great shot (since breaking my back I cannot hold still). With all that being said I was still able to hold 5 shot quarter size groupings at 50 yards

SIGHTS: I liked the iron sights they sent out with the rifle but I can’t really place my finger on why that is. I used both an EOtech and a 3-9×42 scope but I still preferred the use of the iron sights. Go figure!

RAILS: The rifle only has the short rail on top which meant I couldn’t use my lasers and other TOYS much needed accessories. Kel Tec does sell a fore grip that replaces the bipod that has more rails on it.

FOLDING STOCK: I loved that stock folds under the rifle making the carry in a backpack or storage of the rifle take up less room. Some people are not a fan of this so Kel Tec also makes a replacement stock and pistol grip that is easy to install.

OVERALL THOUGHTS

I shot over a 1000 rounds through this rifle and I have to say I wish I didn’t have to send it back because this was a comfortable and easy to shoot rifle.

This rifle has the best of a lot of worlds with its bipod, piston, folding stock, mag holder, polymer frame. all around just a GREAT gun!

With the prices of a basic “cheap” AR-15 hitting close to $1000. The SU-16CA rifle coming in MSRP as $770 (VERY VERY HIGH and in most cases can be found cheaper) this is a good buy for a .223/5.56 rifle.

REVIEW: Kel-Tec SU-16CA Review PT. 1

Kel Tec was gracious enough to sent out out of their SU-16CA rifle for us to do a review on a few months ago and I have been trying to push this gun to its limits and it has exceeded my expectations.

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Caliber: 5.56 NATO.
Magazine: (2) 10 Round detachable box. Accepts standard NATO M16/AR magazines.
Barrel: 18.5″
System of Operation: Semi-automatic
Overall length: 36” open 25” folded
Weight (unloaded): 4.7 lbs

This was a fun gun to review. The end tally of rounds we shot through this rifle before shipping it back was 1700+ rounds.

 

I had read a number of different  other reviews on this rifle before we got our hands on it and I noticed most of them said that they liked the gun and it was easy to use and blah blah blah nothing really exciting that made me want to buy this gun for any other reason than it was reliable. I wanted my review to be focused in a different direction other than just a few range reports. As I mentioned before we shot little over 1700+ round through it, during that time (Kel-Tec in no way suggests or recommends in anyway that you do or try this with your rifles) we never cleaned the rifle over a 2 1/2 month time period.

The rifle uses a piston gas system which limits the amount of gas sent back into the chamber making the rifle run in some cases cleaner. (Due to some problems with my camera while I was cleaning the rifle to be shipped back I didn’t get the chance to take pictures of the rifle dismantled to show you the piston)

I pulled the rifle straight out of the box and took it to the range. Normally I would strip the rifle down and oil the rifle myself but I felt if I was going administer this test I should show using the oil Kel-Tec uses vs. the over oiling I like to do on my rifles. First 1001 rounds we shot no problems the gun functioned beautifully. Round 1002 we had our first failure to feed so we chambered the next round shot fine but chambering the next 3 rounds seemed slow 1006 and 1007 both ejected the spent brass but did not feed the next round. I pulled the bolt and piston grouping out of the rifle put two drops of gun oil on the piston rod put the gun back together and the rifle shot just as if it was just cleaned and oiled.

Over the next 6 weeks we finished putting the last 700+ through the rifle and it shot beautifully.

The fore grip on the rifle is also a bipod which I found in the seated position didn’t work very well and bounced all over the table and sometimes would completely collapse after taking your first shot. I never tried shooting from the prone position but I have a feeling that it would be similar to what I found when standing with the rest on a table which was that it was a bit more stable but still not as good as the  shooters rest we have out at the range.

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Shooters rest.

Stay tuned for the completion of my review of this rifle on Wednesday.

REVIEW: Versacarry

You may have noticed that my installment of the versacarry review trilogy has been somewhat delayed. This certainly isn’t a result of versacarry making a complicated or difficult to use product, but instead from my lack of a concealed handgun license. I was hoping to have completed my licensing course and have some real world experience with the holster before I made my conclusive review of the product, but due to a lack of funding on my part, and a but of a deadline for the review, here it goes.

If you haven’t seen the previous reviews, you may want to read through this before hand.

First off, I am very thankful that we got this product for review. It is different and interesting at the very least, and being able to work with the holster and get a good feel for how it feels and functions proved that it is much more than just a novel idea. The execution of this idea for a minimalistic holster is beautiful, simple, and effective.
The first thing I noticed about this holster was exactly how little material it consists of. Its just so small. If I hadn’t read up on it before it was put in my hands, I wouldn’t have known what to do with it. The size of the whole package is excellent, but that actually wasn’t my favorite part. As cool as it is to have a few more millimeters shaved off that little bulge my M&P .40 makes on my waist, the best and most important part of the versacarry is how easy and reliable it is on the draw.
Now I am in no capacity and expert on holsters or concealed carry situations/requirements, but I do know a thing or two about efficiency and consistency. the clasp on versacarry holsters is a stout one. With an angled protrusion on its end the clip stayed rather firmly in place as I drew repeatedly from my jeans even without a belt on. Using it like it was intended; with a belt in place , the versacarry is going nowhere fast and let my pistol slide out very smoothly very consistently.
Argh. I just remembered another test I haven’t gotten time to run yet. As soon as I get my hands on a linear scale I will be measuring and posting exactly how firmly the versacarry holds my M&P .40 and hopefully a few other handguns in place. For now just rest assured that for such little contact area between the holster and the firearm, it is a comfortably tight fit. I wouldn’t ever worry about any unwanted movement or the possibility of slipping out.
The only problem I see with the versacarry, is the potential difficulty of training with it. Not being able to re-settle the pistol on your versacarry without removing it from your pants would make repeated drawing a bit more tedious. Obviously in a real life situation use of a versacarry only necessitates one draw.
All in all, I like it quite a lot, and fully intend on using versacarry as soon as I am licensed.

REVIEW: Versacarry from a female standpoint

I was completely intrigued when I first saw this holster, I am soon to be getting my CHL to carry my KelTec 9mm and have been looking at the type of holster I would use. For women, there are particular holsters made specifically for us, such as ones that attach to the bra. Those are less easily concealed then the Versacarry. As women, we tend to wear tighter more fitted clothing than our male counterparts which makes carrying concealed on our body rather more difficult.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that when I put on the holster with my gun, while wearing form fitting pants, there was a small bulge, but not an obvious shape. It would be easily covered by wearing a sweater or a non-super form fitting shirt.

The only issue I have with the holster is that it requires the use of a belt, because otherwise, when you draw the holster comes out with the gun. But this is a small issue compared to actually having a holster that is not completely obvious and can be worn with most clothing.

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First Impressions: VersaCarry Holsters

About two weeks ago We were contacted by VersaCarry about a T&E (review) of their holsters and of course I was very excited about trying them out since they one of the most interesting IWB holsters (Inside the Waist Band) on the market.

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They sent us three holsters to review

A large .45 ACP for my Glock 21 (pictured above blue on the right)
A Medium .40 S&W for Caleb’s S&W M&P .40
And a Small 9mm for SAWGunners Kel-Tec PF-9 (Pictured above yellow on the left)

Since I haven’t had the chance to see SAWG I have had the small holster to review against my large.

 

Large .45 with a Glock 21

Concealment level: I tend to wear more medium T-shirts which does not conceal the Glock 21 as well as I would like it to.
By wearing a large or XL shirt the gun is less noticeable in the small of my back. wearing mediums and larges I cannot wear the holster on my side because the gun shows. Wearing an XL shirt the gun on my hip still has some bulk but is less noticeable and the general population most likely wouldn’t even notice.

Comfort level: With the Glock in the small of my back I have to reposition it to my side if I want to sit down. Walking around the gun stays where I holstered it and even with the weight it doesn’t pull my pants down or feel uncomfortable. However if I knew I was going to be standing and sitting off and on this is not the size I would want to carry since I would have to keep moving it back and forth.

Ease of Draw:  The size of the gun makes the gun a quick draw and have rounds on target with relative ease. Cross draw and carrying in the small of my back still very easy.

Ease of reholstering: The package does say you have to pull the holster out and put the gun back on the rod which is the main con I have found so far.

Safety: The Holster comes with a trigger guard which covers the trigger from the outside of your pants and the skin of your body covers the other side. this keeps those of us without a switch safety more protected. 

Overall thoughts: I have only had this holster for about a week now and I will say I like it. It is all made of plastic. The barrel rod screws onto the frame and has a metal insert molded into the rod so it shouldn’t strip if you change the rod to a different caliber.

So far I like the way it carries and feels. it doesn’t seem to weigh me down or make movements awkward.

Product Reviews

We have a number of awesome product and firearm reviews coming up in the next few months as well as a book.

Here is a list of a few of the reviews we can mention

Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm Pistol
Kel-Tec SU-16 .223 REM Rifle
American Weapon Systems ZA-15
Rock River Arms Polymer Frame 1911

More names to come…

We have a few holsters coming in and a flashlight or two

We are hoping have the book release (The subject of which is TOP SECRET) in the next few months.

Stay tuned we have a lot coming our way in 2012.

REVIEW: ZCORR Anti Corrosion Bag Review.

Jason from Z-CORR contacted us about doing a review on a few of their products
to see Z-CORR’s full product line Click here

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1 Vacuum Tactical bag
1 Original Compact Tactical bag
1 Velcro Rifle/ Shotgun bag
1 Vacuum Pistol bag
5 Pack Large Parts & Ammo

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800+ 5.56x45NATO Green tip ammo in plastic shipping bag.

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400 (5.56NATO) rounds per Large Ammo & Parts Pouch

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Glock 21 in Vacuum Pistol Bag in (food colored green) water subjected to 24 hours submerged in cold water (Black dot just to the rear of the grip is the vacuum valve)

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Number of rounds and type: 13 Steel .45 ACP, 7 Brass .45 ACP semi-wad cutters, 1 standard brass 7.62×39, 1 7.62×39 brass dipped in lacquer, 20+ brass .22 Long rifle.

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Ammo before being buried for 7 day in rainy (45-64 F degree temps) cold weather.
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(Photo 1) Ammo in bag zipped. (Photo 2) Ammo submerged in water for 6 hours.
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Ammo still dry after 6 hour soak.
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Ammo being put in the 6” deep hole.
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Ammo buried and covered in mud.

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FN-H FS2000 in the Vacuum Tactical Bag.

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Day 7 of ammo being buried in the mud (being pulled from mud while being washed off).
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Bag pulled from the muddy water and washed off.

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Dry, clean and rust and corrosion free ammo.

The Vacuum bags should under normal circumstances hold the vacuum until the bag is opened again.

The large ammo bags should be able to hold between 350 – 400 rounds of .223.
or roughly 200 7.62×51 rounds.

We found after transporting our 800 .223 rounds in a ammo case that the bag did have little dimples from where the bullet tips settled against the bag but the bag was hole free.

“The life of the bags depends on how they’re used.  If you’re in and out of them a few times each week you’ll still see at least 5yrs of protection.  The less you’re in and out of them the longer they will last.  This is because the interior material is impregnated with the VpCI molecules so when a firearm is pulled out of the bag it’s taking molecules with it.  The reason our bags last so much longer than similar ones by Zerust or Inhibitor bags is because our bags use both a VpCI material and a military grade exterior barrier layer which locks in the VpCI molecules and keeping external elements out.  Similar bags without that barrier layer allow their molecules to go both into the bag and out into the surrounding atmosphere so their material is depleted much faster.”

Jason Tuccio
ZCORR Products Program Manager

The Velcro Rifle/ Shotgun bag was too short to store any of the weapons we own but I have found that they will work great for storing our fully loaded magazines because it will protect the brass (and metal magazines) from corrosion.
I tested the vacuum on the “Vacuum Tactical Bag” with my
Browning Invector BPS Special Steel 20 Gauge shotgun over most of the month of December while I was away the gun was stored with the buttstock on the ground and the barrel against the wall, when we returned after 2 weeks with the shotgun in the bag the vacuum on the bag was fully gone. Under vacuum, during normal handling the bag at the muzzle developed a tear causing the bag to lose vacuum.  
The simple and effective fix for a puncture is to just use hvac foil tape from a big box hardware store.
After fully reviewing the bags overall even with the small tear, the bags are good bags for anti-corrosion.  Cost of the bags is reasonable for anyone wanting to preserve and protect their guns.

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Shotgun muzzle

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1/4” tear in the bag.

Theoretically, the corrosion protection can last in excess of 20 years.
A few pictures of the bag in use.

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Sig 556 DMR

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Browning shotgun.

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Z-CORR is dedicated to making sure their customers are more than satisfied with their purchase and that they are getting their monies worth out of the ZCORR products.

At the range…

Killing Zombies and sighting in the new weapons.
We will be back on Friday with a report on a few of the guns with hopefully AWESOME videos and great photos.

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To my fellow Americans Have an AMAZING Thanksgiving and remember to be thankful for our Second Amendment.

FN FS2000 Update.

Gears of guns recently added a few new guns to our collection, one of which is the FN-H FS2000.

We have been familiarizing by  taking the weapon apart and putting it back together and add a laser and holographic scope.

We are taking the weapons out this weekend to get them sighted in.

Field Stripping The FS2000

The rifle is easy to field strip without use of any tools.
Cleaning the gun is just as easy.

The gun only uses metal magazines in 30 rounds or 10 round magazine with an extended bottom plate.

SPECS

Caliber: .223 Remington/5.56x45mm NATO
Barrel length: 17.44″ barrel chrome lined hammer forged with muzzle brake
Rifling: 1:7″ RH twist
Magazine: 30 round metal magazine
Action: Semi Auto, Gas operated rotating bolt
SIZE: 10.2″ tall, 3.20″ wide.
Overall length: 29.29″
Weight: 7.58 lbs. (unloaded)
Effective range: 500 m

Info:
Single stage trigger
Pivoting manual safety switch in trigger guard
Left side cocking knob
Ambidextrous bottom mounted magazine release
Right side forward fired case ejection
Rear hinged polymer cover for chamber condition verification
Integrated MIL-STD 1913 mounting rail
Emergency backup folding iron sights
Matte black finish on all exposed metal surfaces
Ambidextrous olive drab synthetic thumbhole stock
Molded in sling attachment point on stock

REVIEW: 30-06 Ammo review

Gearsofguns had the opportunity to review some bulk 30-06 Springfield ammo.

BULK AMMO sent us a box of Federal 180gr 30-06 Power shok.

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I took out my sportized US Rock island Arsenal Model 1903 . along with a friend shooting a SKS

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(Sportized means converting it from the basic military rifle configuration to a hunting rifle configuration. The military style stock that almost fully encloses the barrel is exchanged for one that leaves the entire top of the barrel exposed, and usually only covers about half the length of the bottom of the barrel)

We had set out 2 ranges to test out this round at 50m and at 100m against a 1/4” steel plate and a paper target to test groupings. (no pictures of this grouping)

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At 100m we had a clean 5 round group in a half dollar on the paper and and a 3 round stack on the steel.

 

When we moved the steel plate closer to 50m we saw a unexpected result. The 30-06 rounds were making almost a millimeter smaller holes than at 100mIMG_0969
1/4” steel plate (shot both by myself with the .30-06 and by a friend with an SKS bullet size: 7.62x39mm)

 

After shooting we checked the barrel and bolt to see how clean the ammo shot and we ran a dry cloth down and came out with a fairly clean cloth and when we wiped the bolt only found oil from the last cleaning.

The recoil felt for a 30-06 from past experience was about the same.

The cost of the rounds for a 30-06 is on the low end at about a $1 per round

Specs
Caliber: .30 (7.62mm)
Weight: 180 Grain Soft Point
Muzzle velocity: 2700 fps.
Velocity at 100 yards: 2470 fps.
Velocity at 300 yards: 2045 fps.
Muzzle energy: 2913 ft/lbs.
Energy at 100 yards: 2439 ft/lbs.
Energy at 300 yards: 1671 ft/lbs.
Uses: Deer, Medium game.

Overall performance from the round was excellent. Zero malfunctions or problems.

Bulk ammo shipped the ammo out to us on Monday and we had the ammo in our hands by Wednesday.

We would like to thank Bulk ammo for the chance to review this product.

 

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Be sure to check out Bulk ammo for GREAT deals on ammo.

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