Kel Tec SU-16CA PT.2

To read the first half of this review CLICK HERE

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Like I said in the first half I really enjoyed this rifle so I will just jump right into the review

 

POLYMER FRAME: The rifle is made up of mostly polymer which makes the gun very light weight at only 4.7 pounds. Whereas an AR-15 is about 7 pounds.

SAFETY: The safety on this rifle is simple. it is just a push side to side button with a red ring on the fire side. I like to live with the K.I.S.S. mind set which is Keep It Simple Stupid.

PISTON: Similar to that of the AK family this rifle uses a piston system. This seems to it the bolt and chamber cleaner. as you read about in our 1700+ round testing.

ACTION:  this rifle is a piston driven system which seems to make this rifle cycle beautifully.

FELT RECOIL: (While this rifle is threaded for a muzzle device Kel Tec does not thread one on to this rifle.) The recoil was surprising to me when doing a side by side comparison to my AR-15 with a flash hider as the SU-16 had lower felt recoil.

MAGAZINES:   The rifle comes with (2) 10 round polymer mags in a carrying well in the folding stock. The stock also supports the use of a 20 round AR magazine in place of the 2 ten round mags. They designed this mag well to be that of the AR-15 mag wells to support the use of AR-15 mags (including beta mags). One thing we did notice was that the last 2 rounds in my 4 of my polymer sig mags did not seem to want to chamber.

FIELD STRIPPING:  To take this gun apart to do basic cleaning is as simple as using the bullet to push a pin out in the stock. (cleaning the bolt carrier group is a little bit more than just that but for the review we are only talking about taking the gun down to is basic parts)

ACCURACY: I will not lie and say I am the best shot in the world or that I am even a great shot (since breaking my back I cannot hold still). With all that being said I was still able to hold 5 shot quarter size groupings at 50 yards

SIGHTS: I liked the iron sights they sent out with the rifle but I can’t really place my finger on why that is. I used both an EOtech and a 3-9×42 scope but I still preferred the use of the iron sights. Go figure!

RAILS: The rifle only has the short rail on top which meant I couldn’t use my lasers and other TOYS much needed accessories. Kel Tec does sell a fore grip that replaces the bipod that has more rails on it.

FOLDING STOCK: I loved that stock folds under the rifle making the carry in a backpack or storage of the rifle take up less room. Some people are not a fan of this so Kel Tec also makes a replacement stock and pistol grip that is easy to install.

OVERALL THOUGHTS

I shot over a 1000 rounds through this rifle and I have to say I wish I didn’t have to send it back because this was a comfortable and easy to shoot rifle.

This rifle has the best of a lot of worlds with its bipod, piston, folding stock, mag holder, polymer frame. all around just a GREAT gun!

With the prices of a basic “cheap” AR-15 hitting close to $1000. The SU-16CA rifle coming in MSRP as $770 (VERY VERY HIGH and in most cases can be found cheaper) this is a good buy for a .223/5.56 rifle.

REVIEW: Kel-Tec SU-16CA Review PT. 1

Kel Tec was gracious enough to sent out out of their SU-16CA rifle for us to do a review on a few months ago and I have been trying to push this gun to its limits and it has exceeded my expectations.

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Caliber: 5.56 NATO.
Magazine: (2) 10 Round detachable box. Accepts standard NATO M16/AR magazines.
Barrel: 18.5″
System of Operation: Semi-automatic
Overall length: 36” open 25” folded
Weight (unloaded): 4.7 lbs

This was a fun gun to review. The end tally of rounds we shot through this rifle before shipping it back was 1700+ rounds.

 

I had read a number of different  other reviews on this rifle before we got our hands on it and I noticed most of them said that they liked the gun and it was easy to use and blah blah blah nothing really exciting that made me want to buy this gun for any other reason than it was reliable. I wanted my review to be focused in a different direction other than just a few range reports. As I mentioned before we shot little over 1700+ round through it, during that time (Kel-Tec in no way suggests or recommends in anyway that you do or try this with your rifles) we never cleaned the rifle over a 2 1/2 month time period.

The rifle uses a piston gas system which limits the amount of gas sent back into the chamber making the rifle run in some cases cleaner. (Due to some problems with my camera while I was cleaning the rifle to be shipped back I didn’t get the chance to take pictures of the rifle dismantled to show you the piston)

I pulled the rifle straight out of the box and took it to the range. Normally I would strip the rifle down and oil the rifle myself but I felt if I was going administer this test I should show using the oil Kel-Tec uses vs. the over oiling I like to do on my rifles. First 1001 rounds we shot no problems the gun functioned beautifully. Round 1002 we had our first failure to feed so we chambered the next round shot fine but chambering the next 3 rounds seemed slow 1006 and 1007 both ejected the spent brass but did not feed the next round. I pulled the bolt and piston grouping out of the rifle put two drops of gun oil on the piston rod put the gun back together and the rifle shot just as if it was just cleaned and oiled.

Over the next 6 weeks we finished putting the last 700+ through the rifle and it shot beautifully.

The fore grip on the rifle is also a bipod which I found in the seated position didn’t work very well and bounced all over the table and sometimes would completely collapse after taking your first shot. I never tried shooting from the prone position but I have a feeling that it would be similar to what I found when standing with the rest on a table which was that it was a bit more stable but still not as good as the  shooters rest we have out at the range.

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Shooters rest.

Stay tuned for the completion of my review of this rifle on Wednesday.

Keltec Su-16CA

I always enjoy getting my hands on a rifle I’ve never fired before. The Keltec Su-16CA was a unique experience. The Su-16CA is a 5.56mm rifle weighing 4.7 pounds. The most notable thing about this particular rifle is the ability to transform its heat shield into a bipod.

The concept is very neat, though it needs to be implemented better. The bipod is made of plastic and feels like it would be prone to breakage. Furthermore the part of the bipod that touches the ground comes to an awkward point. This makes getting stabilization a little more tricky, even more so I’d imagine on uneven ground. One major flaw with this design is the exposed barrel. If one were trying to move quickly and didn’t have time to retract the heat shields, then one’s hands would be in mucho pain.

I do have a couple minor complaints about the rifle. The rear sight aperture is slightly too big for my taste. This makes precision shooting more challenging. It’s in-between the M-16’s day and night aperture, so I’d imagine it would be okay for day or night shooting. The second complaint isn’t really a complaint, I suppose. But I really like pistol grips. I think that a pistol grip would greatly improve on the handling of this rifle.

 

 

There were a couple of things I really liked about this rifle. Firstly, the charging handle being on the side. Not a surprise to anyone who has seen my name (Saw Gunner). In my humble opinion, the M-16 and M-4’s charging handle makes chambering a round too damn complex of a movement.  Secondly, the built-in magazine holder in the buttstock. You can put two ten-round magazines in there. Having an extra 20 rounds of ammo on hand is never a bad thing.

Despite my criticisms this is still a really fun rifle to fire. I wouldn’t go carrying this rifle into combat, but for a nice relaxing day at the range the Keltec Su-16CA isn’t a bad choice.

REVIEW: Versacarry

You may have noticed that my installment of the versacarry review trilogy has been somewhat delayed. This certainly isn’t a result of versacarry making a complicated or difficult to use product, but instead from my lack of a concealed handgun license. I was hoping to have completed my licensing course and have some real world experience with the holster before I made my conclusive review of the product, but due to a lack of funding on my part, and a but of a deadline for the review, here it goes.

If you haven’t seen the previous reviews, you may want to read through this before hand.

First off, I am very thankful that we got this product for review. It is different and interesting at the very least, and being able to work with the holster and get a good feel for how it feels and functions proved that it is much more than just a novel idea. The execution of this idea for a minimalistic holster is beautiful, simple, and effective.
The first thing I noticed about this holster was exactly how little material it consists of. Its just so small. If I hadn’t read up on it before it was put in my hands, I wouldn’t have known what to do with it. The size of the whole package is excellent, but that actually wasn’t my favorite part. As cool as it is to have a few more millimeters shaved off that little bulge my M&P .40 makes on my waist, the best and most important part of the versacarry is how easy and reliable it is on the draw.
Now I am in no capacity and expert on holsters or concealed carry situations/requirements, but I do know a thing or two about efficiency and consistency. the clasp on versacarry holsters is a stout one. With an angled protrusion on its end the clip stayed rather firmly in place as I drew repeatedly from my jeans even without a belt on. Using it like it was intended; with a belt in place , the versacarry is going nowhere fast and let my pistol slide out very smoothly very consistently.
Argh. I just remembered another test I haven’t gotten time to run yet. As soon as I get my hands on a linear scale I will be measuring and posting exactly how firmly the versacarry holds my M&P .40 and hopefully a few other handguns in place. For now just rest assured that for such little contact area between the holster and the firearm, it is a comfortably tight fit. I wouldn’t ever worry about any unwanted movement or the possibility of slipping out.
The only problem I see with the versacarry, is the potential difficulty of training with it. Not being able to re-settle the pistol on your versacarry without removing it from your pants would make repeated drawing a bit more tedious. Obviously in a real life situation use of a versacarry only necessitates one draw.
All in all, I like it quite a lot, and fully intend on using versacarry as soon as I am licensed.

REVIEW: Versacarry from a female standpoint

I was completely intrigued when I first saw this holster, I am soon to be getting my CHL to carry my KelTec 9mm and have been looking at the type of holster I would use. For women, there are particular holsters made specifically for us, such as ones that attach to the bra. Those are less easily concealed then the Versacarry. As women, we tend to wear tighter more fitted clothing than our male counterparts which makes carrying concealed on our body rather more difficult.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that when I put on the holster with my gun, while wearing form fitting pants, there was a small bulge, but not an obvious shape. It would be easily covered by wearing a sweater or a non-super form fitting shirt.

The only issue I have with the holster is that it requires the use of a belt, because otherwise, when you draw the holster comes out with the gun. But this is a small issue compared to actually having a holster that is not completely obvious and can be worn with most clothing.

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Versacarry [UPDATE]

After posting this review I was contacted by Versacarry to help me make a few corrections

  1. Belts MUST be worn with this carry system.
  2. if you have a longer barrel than what is normal specs (threaded barrel, compensated barrel or other) be sure to make note of that when purchasing this carry system.
    I made that mistake and made a comment on the safety of my carry with this system due to a misunderstanding on my part. With the proper trigger guard this safety issue has been rectified.
       “The trigger guard may not be in the correct place because of your threaded barrel. Our product is sized based on barrel length, so if you’ll give us the length of your threaded barrel
    we can get you the correct size to provide more than ample trigger coverage. Its like trying to stick a size 10 foot in a size 8 shoe.” (From Versacarry)
  3. By patent definition, the Versacarry is not a “holster”. So, in this case you must re-holster your Versacarry and gun every time
    the gun is drawn. However, on a day-to-day basis if you need to remove your weapon just un-clip the Versacarry and remove the weapon
    and Versacarry as one unit just in reverse of how it went on. For range drills this can be a little more work, but in day to day life the Versacarry
    and weapon will only be separated for two things, cleaning, and a life or death situation.” (from Versacarry)
  4. I made the comment that you could simply change the barrel retention rod but at this time Versacarry does not allow you to change out the rods. they will have a version later that will allow you to do that.

Versacarry swiftly responded back about this. 

REVIEW: VersaCarry Large .45 holster review

A few weeks ago VERSACARRY.com contacted us about doing a review on their inside waist band (IWB) holsters.

They sent SawG, Caleb and Myself each a different one
My Glock 21 .45 ACP – Large Blue
Caleb’s Smith and Wesson M&P .40S&W – Medium Red
SawG’s Kel-Tec PF9 9 Para bellum – Small Yellow

Since I still haven’t been able to give SawG his holster my sister will be doing a review from a females stand point later on this month.

Large .45 ACP Holster

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Large .45 with a Glock 21

Concealment level: I tend to wear more medium T-shirts which does not conceal the Glock 21 as well as I would like it to.
By wearing a large or XL shirt the gun is less noticeable in the small of my back. wearing mediums and larges I cannot wear the holster on my side because the gun shows. Wearing an XL shirt the gun on my hip still has some bulk but is less noticeable and the general population most likely wouldn’t even notice.

Comfort level: With the Glock in the small of my back I have to reposition it to my side if I want to sit down. Walking around the gun stays where I holstered it and even with the weight it doesn’t pull my pants down or feel uncomfortable. However if I knew I was going to be standing and sitting off and on this is not the size I would want to carry since I would have to keep moving it back and forth.

Ease of Draw: The size of the gun makes the gun a quick draw and have rounds on target with relative ease. Cross draw and carrying in the small of my back still very easy.

Ease of reholstering: The package does say you have to pull the holster out and put the gun back on the rod which is the main con I have found so far.

Safety: The Holster comes with a trigger guard which covers the trigger from the outside of your pants and the skin of your body covers the other side. this keeps those of us without a switch safety more protected.

Overall thoughts: I have only had this holster for about a week now and I will say I like it. It is all made of plastic. The barrel rod screws onto the frame and has a metal insert molded into the rod so it shouldn’t strip if you change the rod to a different caliber.

So far I like the way it carries and feels. it doesn’t seem to weigh me down or make movements awkward

Conclusions:

While I do like the deep concealment of this gun I did find it hard to practice drawing and firing from this holster at the range since you have to take the holster off every time. If you can practice and take the time to draw from this using snap caps or other ways of practice I believe with time it will be come second nature.

Safety is always a major thing I look at when I am carrying because I never want to be walking around and have a round go off into my leg. Since I have the threaded barrel on my Glock it does raise the trigger a little bit outside of the trigger guards cover. The stock non threaded barrel is covered by the guard and for added safety I can just carry in condition 3 (See all 5 conditions here) if I am that worried.

Pants and Belts: I found that in most of my pants and shorts that I had to wear a belt in order for the holster to stay in when drawing my pistols. However when my sister tried on the small holster she was having this problem since her nice work clothes do not have belt loops for her to wear one. I will let her explain more in her posting later on.

Final overall conclusion:

I think even with the safety, reholstering and wearing a belt that this holster is one of the more interesting and comfortable on the market.

Versacarry.com

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First Impressions: Kel-Tec SU-16CA

Ah, Kel Tec. Makers of nifty folding rifles and the KSG. I was stoked when I heard that the GEARS crew got to play with one of the first firearms that got me interested in Kel Tec CNC, the SU-16CA. After a few productive hours at the range on Saturday, now comes the time to lay back on the sofa and say “how I feel about it”.

Overall, the SU-16CA was a pleasure to shoot, and I will eventually be following up with a much more thorough review of this very interesting rifle. The first thing that came to my mind when I got my hands on the gun was how amazingly efficient Kel Tec was with space. The magazines both fit into the stock, The fore grip folds out into a bipod, and the whole gun folds up into a tidy little backpack sized package. I really have no substantial complaints thus far with this gun. Of the various (5.56×45).223 magazines we fired from, only one had a failure to feed on the last round, and even though the bipod was a little jumpy on the bench we were firing from, I don’t think that will present a problem from a prone position. The only thing that I wasn’t really crazy about was the charging handle. We had fun with it today. I’ll get back to you once we have tortured it a bit more about whether or not you should go grab one for your backpacking adventures. We are also planning on bringing it to the suppressor shoot this month since it does come with a beautiful threaded bull barrel. Until then, check out the crazy muzzle flash on this guy.

Less M16, more M4.

This last weekend I took a long, cramped trip down to Ft. Hood to qualify with my rifle. This time it was different though, this time I was issued my first M4.

I’m not a huge fan of the M16 and that’s no secret. It jams, it’s clunky, it’s inconvenient in small areas and its sights are antiquated. The M4 though, this sweet little baby has changed my mind about U.S. issued assault rifles. One of the first things I noticed was the much improved sight functionality.

Notice the rear sight, it flips up. How cool is that? They really thought of everything. The elevation adjustment is a simple click and not a menacing horizontal knob like the M16 has.

The insides of the M4 look identical to the M16. Making transition simple, even for the slowest of soldiers. Here is a quick field-strip of the m4.

 

While the aesthetics of the rifle are neat in itself that’s not really the most important thing. What is important is how it shoots. I have never shot such a tight shot group in my shooting career. From the command “fire when ready”, my three bullet holes were damn near on top of each other. This I think is partially due to the shorter length of the rifle (better positioning), the adjustable buttstock(better recoil control), and of course my mad shooting skills.

Moral of the story – the M4 rocks.

Bonus range picture:

Kel Tec PF9

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I had the opportunity to go out to the gun show with my sister and Sawgunner this past weeken dto  find a conceal carry for my sister.
After a few hours she found for the size and price that she liked the Kel Tec PF9

SPECS

Caliber: 9mm Luger (9X19 mm)
Weight unloaded: 12.7 oz
Length: 5.85”  (149 mm)
Height: 4.3” (109 mm)
Width: .88” (22 mm)
Barrel Length: 3.1 ” (80 mm)
Magazine Capacity: 7+1 rounds
Trigger Pull: 5 lbs.

Sawgunner and and her will have a review for this pistol after next weekend.

REVIEW: FN-H FS2000 Range review PT.2

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The conclusion to the gears review on the FN-H FS2000 bullpup.

Polymer frame/ comfort:
The polymer frame and ergonomics of the grip and fore grip makes the rifle lightweight and comfortable to shoot for extended amounts of time.

After a day of shooting the gun never heated up to uncomfortable point.

Sling and carrying
While shooting the rifle in a more tactical range we found that carrying and shooting the rifle without the sling is not as comfortable.

Left handed shooting

The GEARS crew has a left handed shooter who went out with us.

Compared to the Sig we were also shooting I found the FS 2000 to be much more comfortable.  Being left handed a problem that commonly occurs is getting hot brass in the face, with this rifle, no problem. (Written by DJ. GEARS left handed shooter)

Reloading
As we said in part 1 on Monday of the review (link at the bottom of this page)
The is not your standard AR style mag release and requires the shooter to press the (Ambidextrous bottom mounted) magazine release while they pull the magazine out.
It took a a few reloads before it becomes easier and after a day of shooting blind magazine change becomes more easy without having to take your eye of the target.

Felt recoil
The recoil on this gun is lower (.223 has low recoil) when compared to our AR-15 and about the same when compared to our SIG556s

Semi-auto
Shooting off the bench rest or standing with firing in a fast semi-auto burst we could still stay on target and keep about and 2” to 4” grouping with no problem.

Safety
The Ambidextrous safety in the trigger guard is a nice feature. but other than that no real comment on the safety.

Comments on the rifle:

Clearing the weapon: It always seemed we had to rack the charging handle back twice just to be sure the round came out of the rifle.

The forward ejection: Standing alone at the table or with no one to our right the ejection was nice but when a person was standing to our right they sometimes were hit with spent brass.

Cleaning: After breaking down the rifle we  didn’t have to take the bolt carrier apart to clean like our AR-15 which made cleaning quick and simple.

Accuracy: center grouping was taken off the bench rest and the other holes were from sighting in and when doing semi-auto burst fire.

 

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For part 1 of the review Click here or specs and other info Click here or for a video about how to field strip the weapon Click here.

REVIEW: FN-H FS2000 Range review. PT.1

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The GEARS crew went out to the range to sight in our new rifles and get a feel for them so we could better review them.

We shot about 200 rounds running M855 5.56×45mm 62-grain ball cartridge, green tip steel penetrator rounds.

After an extended range time with this rifle we have had a better chance to review it.

We can now expand on our original Pros and cons:

PRO:
Uses AR-15 magazines.
AR-15 Metal magazines are cheap and easy to find, if you own an AR-15 style rifle you can buy one type of magazine for both rifles.

Accurate.
While on the range we took the rifle and shot it from the bench rest, seated w/o the bench rest and standing and rifle remained relatively stable and on target after each shot
Full size gun in a small package (Bullpup)
The Bullpup design allows for different height and build shooters to fire the rifle without the need of changing a stock length or forend grips.
Balance
The weight of the rifle is mostly centered in the middle of the rifle making the recoil low and reducing some of the muzzle climb when fired in semi-auto.

CONS:

Chamber access is limited.
With the ejection port at the front of the rifle the chamber has very little access when fully assembled making clearing jams or brass stuck in the barrel hard to do.

The only malfunction we had was a double feed which was easy to remedy by removing the magazine and locking the charging handle to the rear.
Magazine doesn’t drop free.
This wasn’t so much a problem for us at the range. A shooter who has been trained on the AR style mag release will need to relearn the motions for releasing the magazine. This requires the shooter to press the (Ambidextrous bottom mounted) magazine release while they pull the magazine out.
No Polymer magazines.
The rifle only uses metal magazines.

 

For specs and other info Click here or for a video out how to field strip the weapon Click here

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