REVIEW: Kel-Tec SU-16CA Review PT. 1

Kel Tec was gracious enough to sent out out of their SU-16CA rifle for us to do a review on a few months ago and I have been trying to push this gun to its limits and it has exceeded my expectations.

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Caliber: 5.56 NATO.
Magazine: (2) 10 Round detachable box. Accepts standard NATO M16/AR magazines.
Barrel: 18.5″
System of Operation: Semi-automatic
Overall length: 36” open 25” folded
Weight (unloaded): 4.7 lbs

This was a fun gun to review. The end tally of rounds we shot through this rifle before shipping it back was 1700+ rounds.

 

I had read a number of different  other reviews on this rifle before we got our hands on it and I noticed most of them said that they liked the gun and it was easy to use and blah blah blah nothing really exciting that made me want to buy this gun for any other reason than it was reliable. I wanted my review to be focused in a different direction other than just a few range reports. As I mentioned before we shot little over 1700+ round through it, during that time (Kel-Tec in no way suggests or recommends in anyway that you do or try this with your rifles) we never cleaned the rifle over a 2 1/2 month time period.

The rifle uses a piston gas system which limits the amount of gas sent back into the chamber making the rifle run in some cases cleaner. (Due to some problems with my camera while I was cleaning the rifle to be shipped back I didn’t get the chance to take pictures of the rifle dismantled to show you the piston)

I pulled the rifle straight out of the box and took it to the range. Normally I would strip the rifle down and oil the rifle myself but I felt if I was going administer this test I should show using the oil Kel-Tec uses vs. the over oiling I like to do on my rifles. First 1001 rounds we shot no problems the gun functioned beautifully. Round 1002 we had our first failure to feed so we chambered the next round shot fine but chambering the next 3 rounds seemed slow 1006 and 1007 both ejected the spent brass but did not feed the next round. I pulled the bolt and piston grouping out of the rifle put two drops of gun oil on the piston rod put the gun back together and the rifle shot just as if it was just cleaned and oiled.

Over the next 6 weeks we finished putting the last 700+ through the rifle and it shot beautifully.

The fore grip on the rifle is also a bipod which I found in the seated position didn’t work very well and bounced all over the table and sometimes would completely collapse after taking your first shot. I never tried shooting from the prone position but I have a feeling that it would be similar to what I found when standing with the rest on a table which was that it was a bit more stable but still not as good as the  shooters rest we have out at the range.

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Shooters rest.

Stay tuned for the completion of my review of this rifle on Wednesday.

First Impressions: Kel-Tec SU-16CA

Ah, Kel Tec. Makers of nifty folding rifles and the KSG. I was stoked when I heard that the GEARS crew got to play with one of the first firearms that got me interested in Kel Tec CNC, the SU-16CA. After a few productive hours at the range on Saturday, now comes the time to lay back on the sofa and say “how I feel about it”.

Overall, the SU-16CA was a pleasure to shoot, and I will eventually be following up with a much more thorough review of this very interesting rifle. The first thing that came to my mind when I got my hands on the gun was how amazingly efficient Kel Tec was with space. The magazines both fit into the stock, The fore grip folds out into a bipod, and the whole gun folds up into a tidy little backpack sized package. I really have no substantial complaints thus far with this gun. Of the various (5.56×45).223 magazines we fired from, only one had a failure to feed on the last round, and even though the bipod was a little jumpy on the bench we were firing from, I don’t think that will present a problem from a prone position. The only thing that I wasn’t really crazy about was the charging handle. We had fun with it today. I’ll get back to you once we have tortured it a bit more about whether or not you should go grab one for your backpacking adventures. We are also planning on bringing it to the suppressor shoot this month since it does come with a beautiful threaded bull barrel. Until then, check out the crazy muzzle flash on this guy.

REVIEW: FN-H FS2000 Range review PT.2

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The conclusion to the gears review on the FN-H FS2000 bullpup.

Polymer frame/ comfort:
The polymer frame and ergonomics of the grip and fore grip makes the rifle lightweight and comfortable to shoot for extended amounts of time.

After a day of shooting the gun never heated up to uncomfortable point.

Sling and carrying
While shooting the rifle in a more tactical range we found that carrying and shooting the rifle without the sling is not as comfortable.

Left handed shooting

The GEARS crew has a left handed shooter who went out with us.

Compared to the Sig we were also shooting I found the FS 2000 to be much more comfortable.  Being left handed a problem that commonly occurs is getting hot brass in the face, with this rifle, no problem. (Written by DJ. GEARS left handed shooter)

Reloading
As we said in part 1 on Monday of the review (link at the bottom of this page)
The is not your standard AR style mag release and requires the shooter to press the (Ambidextrous bottom mounted) magazine release while they pull the magazine out.
It took a a few reloads before it becomes easier and after a day of shooting blind magazine change becomes more easy without having to take your eye of the target.

Felt recoil
The recoil on this gun is lower (.223 has low recoil) when compared to our AR-15 and about the same when compared to our SIG556s

Semi-auto
Shooting off the bench rest or standing with firing in a fast semi-auto burst we could still stay on target and keep about and 2” to 4” grouping with no problem.

Safety
The Ambidextrous safety in the trigger guard is a nice feature. but other than that no real comment on the safety.

Comments on the rifle:

Clearing the weapon: It always seemed we had to rack the charging handle back twice just to be sure the round came out of the rifle.

The forward ejection: Standing alone at the table or with no one to our right the ejection was nice but when a person was standing to our right they sometimes were hit with spent brass.

Cleaning: After breaking down the rifle we  didn’t have to take the bolt carrier apart to clean like our AR-15 which made cleaning quick and simple.

Accuracy: center grouping was taken off the bench rest and the other holes were from sighting in and when doing semi-auto burst fire.

 

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For part 1 of the review Click here or specs and other info Click here or for a video about how to field strip the weapon Click here.

REVIEW: FN-H FS2000 Range review. PT.1

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The GEARS crew went out to the range to sight in our new rifles and get a feel for them so we could better review them.

We shot about 200 rounds running M855 5.56×45mm 62-grain ball cartridge, green tip steel penetrator rounds.

After an extended range time with this rifle we have had a better chance to review it.

We can now expand on our original Pros and cons:

PRO:
Uses AR-15 magazines.
AR-15 Metal magazines are cheap and easy to find, if you own an AR-15 style rifle you can buy one type of magazine for both rifles.

Accurate.
While on the range we took the rifle and shot it from the bench rest, seated w/o the bench rest and standing and rifle remained relatively stable and on target after each shot
Full size gun in a small package (Bullpup)
The Bullpup design allows for different height and build shooters to fire the rifle without the need of changing a stock length or forend grips.
Balance
The weight of the rifle is mostly centered in the middle of the rifle making the recoil low and reducing some of the muzzle climb when fired in semi-auto.

CONS:

Chamber access is limited.
With the ejection port at the front of the rifle the chamber has very little access when fully assembled making clearing jams or brass stuck in the barrel hard to do.

The only malfunction we had was a double feed which was easy to remedy by removing the magazine and locking the charging handle to the rear.
Magazine doesn’t drop free.
This wasn’t so much a problem for us at the range. A shooter who has been trained on the AR style mag release will need to relearn the motions for releasing the magazine. This requires the shooter to press the (Ambidextrous bottom mounted) magazine release while they pull the magazine out.
No Polymer magazines.
The rifle only uses metal magazines.

 

For specs and other info Click here or for a video out how to field strip the weapon Click here

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FN FS2000 Update.

Gears of guns recently added a few new guns to our collection, one of which is the FN-H FS2000.

We have been familiarizing by  taking the weapon apart and putting it back together and add a laser and holographic scope.

We are taking the weapons out this weekend to get them sighted in.

Field Stripping The FS2000

The rifle is easy to field strip without use of any tools.
Cleaning the gun is just as easy.

The gun only uses metal magazines in 30 rounds or 10 round magazine with an extended bottom plate.

SPECS

Caliber: .223 Remington/5.56x45mm NATO
Barrel length: 17.44″ barrel chrome lined hammer forged with muzzle brake
Rifling: 1:7″ RH twist
Magazine: 30 round metal magazine
Action: Semi Auto, Gas operated rotating bolt
SIZE: 10.2″ tall, 3.20″ wide.
Overall length: 29.29″
Weight: 7.58 lbs. (unloaded)
Effective range: 500 m

Info:
Single stage trigger
Pivoting manual safety switch in trigger guard
Left side cocking knob
Ambidextrous bottom mounted magazine release
Right side forward fired case ejection
Rear hinged polymer cover for chamber condition verification
Integrated MIL-STD 1913 mounting rail
Emergency backup folding iron sights
Matte black finish on all exposed metal surfaces
Ambidextrous olive drab synthetic thumbhole stock
Molded in sling attachment point on stock

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Name that gun: Vektor CR-21

Name that gun: Vektor CR-21

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SPECS

Caliber: 5.56×45 NATO
Action: Selective fire. gas operated.
Length: 29”
Barrel length: 18”
Muzzle velocity: 3,215 f/s
Magazine type: Vektor R4 and Galil ARM style mags
Magazine capacity: 20, 35 rounds
Range of effective fire: 500m
Designed: 1997

The CR-21 stands for Compact Rifle for 21st century.

The CR-21 is not like most modern bullpups in that it is not ambidextrous. The extraction port is only on the right side and close to the shooters face.

The fire mode selector is  behind the magazine while the  safety selector is located at the front of the trigger guard unlike most Selective fire rifle that have the safety in the fire mode selector. The trigger and trigger guard are larger to allow the shooter to fire the weapon while wearing gloves. The cocking handle is located on the left side and does not cycle when the weapon is being fired.

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